Unofficial Proxmox Discord server

Mephisto aD

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Hey all,

I just like to announce here that there is an unofficial Discord server.
There we talk about anything related to self-hosting, containers, virtual machines or even unsupported things like
  • running Proxmox in the cloud and it's related network issues
  • officially unsupported hardware like raspberry pis
  • or even avoiding double NAT at home to expose our services
Feel free to join our community here!

Please note that this Discord server is not meant to be a replacement for the official documentation, neither the official forum,
but about everything that seems to be out of the scope of the official support
and as a place to socialize with other hobby- or professional admins.

Have a great day!
maphisto
 
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Hey all,

I just like to announce here that there is an unofficial Discord server.
Please do not use "Proxmox" and our logo for such unofficial services, this is misleading and against our trademark policies.

Please contact office@proxmox.com for details and hints to get this solved.
 
The official and by far the biggest community is this forum.
All others are small and NOT maintained by the core developers from Proxmox.

Community splitting is almost always a lose lose situation.

We see a lot of really wrong support and howtos in such "unofficial" groups and no one is there to correct this. Do not get me wrong, some are great too, but there is always a risk there and feedback to the project is limited.
 
Please do not use "Proxmox" and our logo for such unofficial services, this is misleading and against our trademark policies.

Please contact office@proxmox.com for details and hints to get this solved.
Okay, just to give an update about the name and logo issue:

I've been in contact with your office and to avoid any interference with the trademarks which are the property of Proxmox Server Solutions, we decided to rename the community server to "ProxCord" and changed the logo too.

This should resolve any complications for now

Best Regards,
Mepthisto
 
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Hello. I want to give my experience with this Discord server.

Extremely unprofessional and people that have no idea how a real world enterprise environment works. Mostly people that have expirence in a homelab.

When you give them points of views and try to have a normal discussion, they attempt to discredit you and finally just do passive aggressive attacks. Mods dont do absolutely anything about it (users need to remind the mods about the rules) and when asked in private massages, ignore you completely.

This gives a very bad view on Proxmox. Ive read great things on this forum from different users and it really gives a bad rep when this unofficial Discord acts like this. Its a shame when you have split communities like this.
 
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Hello. I want to give my experience with this Discord server.
Please excuse my massive ignorance: why would one go and use some random Discord server when there is this open forum? (No, I won't go and test it...)
 
why would one go and use some random Discord server
Because they can chat there, and in forums they have to write complete sentences and read longer posts. ;)

Oh, did I mention that I am absolutely not a fan of Discord, not necessarily because of the above, but because the knowledge shared there is locked away in a proprietary service, is not indexed by search engines, and even if you decide to join certain Discords anyway, it is difficult to search, meaning that knowledge shared there cannot be reused in a meaningful way.

And then there's the fragmentation that @tom mentioned, and yes, because of the above-mentioned characteristics, that is an actual problem. If the Discords were public and indexed by search engines, that would be less of an issue, though still not optimal.

Anyway, it seems that people like to 'chat' about things, and I guess that's fine despite the negative aspects of Discord I mentioned. :)
 
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Hello. I want to give my experience with this Discord server.

Extremely unprofessional and people that have no idea how a real world enterprise environment works. Mostly people that have expirence in a homelab.

When you give them points of views and try to have a normal discussion, they attempt to discredit you and finally just do passive aggressive attacks. Mods dont do absolutely anything about it (users need to remind the mods about the rules) and when asked in private massages, ignore you completely.

This gives a very bad view on Proxmox. Ive read great things on this forum from different users and it really gives a bad rep when this unofficial Discord acts like this. Its a shame when you have split communities like this.
You seem to be laboring under some misapprehensions. I will attempt to offer clarity.

For example, you make claims like
people that have no idea how a real world enterprise environment works. Mostly people that have expirence in a homelab
This is completely false. For example, I myself have 15+ years of enterprise experience. I'm currently a Senior Systems Engineer at Intel, and previously worked in professional roles with companies such as Symantec, McAfee, Arris, and more. Many other members of the community also are professionals in various enterprises, and told you this - you ignored them and pretended like they never spoke. Yes, some people do have homelab experience. Some people have enterprise experience. Many people have both. I'm managing a multi-node, highly-available, hyperconverged Proxmox cluster in an enterprise on-premise datacenter right now.

Examples:
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When you give them points of views and try to have a normal discussion, they attempt to discredit you and finally just do passive aggressive attacks.
You did not try to have a normal discussion. You claimed that enterprises don't run KVM, and got upset when people disagreed with you
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You also claimed that Proxmox wasn't enterprise, simply because it did not have vendor certification.

You were very passioniate about these claims you made... until people disagreed with you. Then the discussion and other people were "pointless"
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You didn't insult anyone... but if you did, it wasn't your fault, because "they can't handle the truth"
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When you were slow to reply to other people, you said:
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But when other users were slow to reply, because they were sleeping or had a life, you were then complaining, and calling it "ragebaiting":
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Mods dont do absolutely anything about it (users need to remind the mods about the rules) and when asked in private massages, ignore you completely.
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Johan is a mod. They gave you some very polite redirection, and your response was:
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You then tried to mischaracterize this as the mod talking about other people, rather than yourself:
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That was a mod doing something about it.

You complained about how many people pinged you, but you pinged McTwist, a different moderator than Johan - who was already interacting with you - 8 separate times:
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They finally replied to you:
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They DID moderate - you simply didn't like that you were the subject of that moderation:
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Finally, after you disagreed with the moderation, you were muted in the server, and reached out to multiple staff to complain. When you didn't get immediate responses - again, because the mods are sleeping, or have lives (see the pattern here?) - you took to the forums to complain, and completely misrepresent the situation.
Because they can chat there, and in forums they have to write complete sentences and read longer posts. ;)
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Ironically, my first interaction with riahc3 is when they were complaining about a user writing complete sentences and a longer post:
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Please excuse my massive ignorance: why would one go and use some random Discord server when there is this open forum? (No, I won't go and test it...)
The biggest reason for me is that I'm already on Discord. I participate in and moderate a large number of communities, from the official Intel Discord server, to Linux Mint, Fedora, and other Linux communities, and the unofficial Proxmox Discord server. I find a lot of community where I can discuss Linux and Linux Systems Administration with other professionals, or help those with less experience. Rather than having to multi-task among a collection of disparate forums and maintain accounts on each, I can have a single Discord account and easily interact with all of those different communities in the same application.

I'm old. I've been on the internet far longer than Discord, and I've spent my time in IRC, Forums, ICQ, etc.

I definitely agree that forums have their place, and that Discord is no replacement for them. I think discord is better for live and/or casual chat, and forums excel when you want to deep dive into a particular topic or problem without being interrupted by off-topic chatter.

Hopefully that's helpful insight! I think forums are great, just trying to give some insight into why someone would use Discord instead or in addition to, Forums :)
 
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Hopefully that's helpful insight!
Yes, thank you! For #9 too.

Actually I have never used Discord, so this gave me some insight. :-)
 
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Because they can chat there, and in forums they have to write complete sentences and read longer posts. ;)

Oh, did I mention that I am absolutely not a fan of Discord, not necessarily because of the above, but because the knowledge shared there is locked away in a proprietary service, is not indexed by search engines, and even if you decide to join certain Discords anyway, it is difficult to search, meaning that knowledge shared there cannot be reused in a meaningful way.

And then there's the fragmentation that @tom mentioned, and yes, because of the above-mentioned characteristics, that is an actual problem. If the Discords were public and indexed by search engines, that would be less of an issue, though still not optimal.

Anyway, it seems that people like to 'chat' about things, and I guess that's fine despite the negative aspects of Discord I mentioned. :)
I really agree with you on this point. I like Discord for the casual chat aspect. I really dislike how it locks knowledge away. Lots of communities for games like to post knowledge in "forums posts" within their discord server themselves, or in google docs, the links to which you can only get by asking in that discord. They won't put the effort into a real forum, or contributing to a wiki. Not to mention that there's a hard limit of 200 discords total that you can join at once. If you are at the limit, and you need help in a game that isn't well documented anywhere else? You need to the leave a discord you are already a part of, or you are out of luck.

Not to mention that it changes the punishment dynamic. It's one thing to say "hey, you are broke X rule, you can't chat in our community anymore" - well it's fine to have rules with punishments of no real consequence.

But when you lock knowledge away inside your discord, now what you've done is make the punishment for breaking the rules be "you no longer get to access documentation for our game/application" - and that's a different level IMO. That's a serious punishment, not something you hand out for small infractions.
 
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