Are refurbished laptops reliable enough for a small Proxmox VE homelab?

I’m setting up a small Proxmox lab mainly for learning, testing a few VMs, containers, backups, and maybe some light home/office use.

I don’t want to buy a proper server right now because this is still a learning setup. I was thinking about using one of the refurbished laptops I found while checking used business devices. I came across Sermobile during the search, but before buying anything I wanted to ask here first because specs on a seller page don’t always tell the full story.

Has anyone here used a laptop for Proxmox VE for a small lab?

I’m mostly worried about heat, SSD life, RAM limits, Ethernet stability, and whether running it for long hours is a bad idea. The built-in battery sounds useful like a mini UPS, but I’m not sure if that is a good reason to choose a laptop over a small desktop or mini PC.

Would you use refurbished laptops for a Proxmox learning setup, or should I avoid laptops completely and look for a used desktop instead?
 
Since Proxmox is Debian with an Ubuntu LTS kernel, it's reliable enough.

Have it running on a Dell Latitude 5421 with no issues.
 
You could also used used mini-pcs which where aimed for usage in office environments. Since they are (more or less, at least with Lenovos ThinkCentres and Dells Optiplex) based on mobile technology (think notebooks without display ;) they are great for usage as low-energy playgrounds for stuff like home-automation vms or 24/7 services (e.g. adguard or pihole). They have (like notebooks ) also some caveats though: You can't put much additional stuff (storage, network cards or gpus) in them, so building a cluster out of them is possible but then you will need something like an usb ethernet adapter for the recommended dedicated cluster network (see: https://pve.proxmox.com/wiki/Cluster_Manager ).
For playing around with Ceph they are mainly unusuable due to the mentioned limits in terms of expandability, see https://pve.proxmox.com/wiki/Deploy...r#_recommendations_for_a_healthy_ceph_cluster and https://forum.proxmox.com/threads/fabu-can-i-use-ceph-in-a-_very_-small-cluster.159671/ for details

But for playing around and maybe not too many self-hosted services they are great. And if at some point you outgrow them and want to buy a beefier hardware they can still be useful for usage as ProxmoxBackupServers ;)

All of said things also applies to notebooks obviouvlsy.
 
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I would have second thoughts about SSD life, because with ZFS, you might end up having problems with the usual consumer-grade pre-used SSDs that are built into those laptops. Also, RAM tends to be soldered, so you probably cannot extend that, either.
 
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I also would not recommend buying a laptop for PVE. If you had a spare one sitting around and wanted to play, then sure, but spending money in this direction is not ideal due to expandability limitations.

However, for similar reasons I would not go directly to a mini-PC like the Dell Micro because these types are also limited and you frequently have to jump through annoying hoops to get a second ethernet port, multiple drives for mirroring, etc. They also likely have small fans that can get noisy under load and die more frequently, and heatsinks that need regular dust removal.

Desktop units can also have limitations, such only one or two PCIe slots that are half-height, limited space for drives, and limited cooling.

So a mini-tower is a much better option.
 
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I also would not recommend buying a laptop for PVE. If you had a spare one sitting around and wanted to play, then sure, but spending money in this direction is not ideal due to expandability limitations.

However, for similar reasons I would not go directly to a mini-PC like the Dell Micro because these types are also limited and you frequently have to jump through annoying hoops to get a second ethernet port, multiple drives for mirroring, etc. They also likely have small fans that can get noisy under load and die more frequently, and heatsinks that need regular dust removal.

Desktop units can also have limitations, such only one or two PCIe slots that are half-height, limited space for drives, and limited cooling.

So a mini-tower is a much better option.
That’s a fair point. Laptops and mini PCs both run into limitations pretty quickly when you start planning proper Proxmox setups with storage (expansion), networking, & redundancy.

I’ve seen similar discussions in hardware circles through Tech Distributor, & the same pattern usually comes up. People start with compact systems because they’re easy to get started with, but most eventually shift toward mini-tower or desktop builds once they need more flexibility and stable performance under load.

Mini-tower still feels like the most practical balance if someone is thinking long term rather than just testing.
 
I think people start with the compact systems because so many YouTubers make endless videos about them! And those videos are popular, so they'll make multiple attempts per year, bouncing around between dumpster-dive business desktops, thin clients, shiny new tiny PCs from a new overseas startup, etc... Rinse and repeat.

Perhaps the biggest problem for us that like to tinker is fighting the "fix it until it's broken" mentality. It's no fun to just build a rock-solid cluster that is bulletproof, and then have nothing to do!

If you have money burning a hole in your pocket and the hunger to build, I think just buy a matched trio of whatever micro/desktop/tower you can get for dirt cheap, then spend the remaining money on RAM, dual-port 10G ethernet (if possible), and enterprise SSDs. All used, of course. With dual-port 10G NICs per host, you can set up a triangle network configuration so you get super-fast ZFS replication and hot migrations without having to buy a 10G switch.

To clarify, my main home cluster is a trio of Dell T30 min-towers with dual 10G and lots of SSDs, but I also have a trio of Dell micro PCs that were headed for e-waste set up as "play" cluster just to see what I thought of the arrangement. Of course it works, even with just a single enterprise SATA SSD per node for boot and VMs. You can absolutely get away with something like this, but do be sure to use ZFS replication between nodes on an aggressive schedule. If I were forced into a corner to use such a setup, I'd probably leave the third node out of the cluster and set up PBS in a VM. In a disaster, the third node can run some critical VMs in a pinch while I figure out how to revive the other two nodes.

Anyway, I think my main point is to not buy hardware you'll eventually not need/want. Then you have to get rid of it via fire sale or it sits and rots.