v8 upgrade failure "You are attempting to remove the meta-package 'proxmox-ve'"

why would that be a problem in and of itself? it lets one know whether actually anything needed e.g. removing
You can do that without actually performing those actions. Please note that I was talking about apt upgrade, not apt update. apt upgrade can upgrade some packages without upgrading some other packages (that's the difference with apt dist-upgrade) and if that breaks stuff then an apt dist-upgrade might not fix it. Better to always run apt dist-upgrade as stated in the manual: https://pve.proxmox.com/pve-docs/pve-admin-guide.html#system_software_updates
 
Please note that I was talking about apt upgrade [...] and if that breaks stuff then an apt dist-upgrade might not fix it

Yes, I got aware of that in previous discussion here, but I was only getting at the fact - why would running upgrade when eventually one anyways runs dist|full-upgrade do cause any harm? I might be a bit slow tonight, but by the man page it should not really matter, the extra upgrade inbetween. Or say someone makes an upgrade, then figures own their system is not working as expected, running dist|full-upgrade should be a remedy, or so I had thought.