PVE development

[cesarpk]

Hi PVE team

I want to do a important question for PVE developers:

Since that the more important hardware manufacturers in the world have his softwares in RPMs for Red Hat (Not to say all), as APC (power switch, UPS, etc), Melanox and Qlogic (infiband of 40 and 100 Gb/s), openmanege of DELL, etc etc.... I want to do a single question:

Why PVE is a hybrid (Kernel is the same of Red Hat and S.O. is Debian)?, in this situation the PVE clients need to compile the extra software if the Hardware manufacturers publish his Sotware with the source code.

I think that if PVE have same architecture of Red Hat (Kernel and S.O.), since that all manufacturers important of the world make RPMs for Red Hat and many of these manufacturers with proprietary software, then, all people will enjoy of the benefits of these drivers and extra tools for servers, being so, I think that PVE gain more popularity because it will be compatible with any hardware of the world and will be much less effort for the PVE clients get Hardware compatibility required and install many other programs extras of these manufacturers, and obviously much less effort for "PVE developers" in creating server drivers and utilities for Servers.

Awaiting your answer i say see you soon

Best regards
Cesar

 

[dietmar]

We use Debian because we think it is better, and we want to have a totally open system.

 

[mir]

If all you need is a way of installing RPM packages on Debian study alien:
apt-get install alien

 

[Onyx]

Here here for Debian!
Debian is the reason I use Proxmox.

 

[e100]

With the rise of debian based systems more and more manufacturers are starting to release debian packages too.
This should be less and less of an issue as time progresses.

If your manufaturer is not changing to meet your needs you should blame the manufacturer not the OS you use.

I agree with onyx, debian is what I like about Proxmox.

 

[cesarpk]

We use Debian because we think it is better, and we want to have a totally open system.

Hi dietmar, and thanks for your reply, but Red Hat always frees the source code.

Please see in this link the tittle "Commercial products":
"A number of commercial vendors use Red Hat Enterprise Linux as a base for the operating system in their products. Two of the best known are the Console Operating System in VMware ESX Server and Oracle Linux respin."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux

Best regards
Cesar

 

[cesarpk]

If all you need is a way of installing RPM packages on Debian study alien:
apt-get install alien

Thanks mir for your suggestion, but is alien stable for convert correctly different Linux package distribution file formats to Debian?, and What will happen with the dependencies?

Best regards
Cesar

 

[mir]

Since alien uses the official RPM libraries for doing its job I would expect it to be as stable as using rpm -i or yum install on RPM based distributions.

 

[cesarpk]

With the rise of debian based systems more and more manufacturers are starting to release debian packages too.
This should be less and less of an issue as time progresses.

But PVE have a kernel based on RHEL and not in Debian, then, if any user want a program for Debian as drivers or extra tools for servers, will be necessary compile first (always that the manufacturer frees the source code), and if PVE have a new kernel for upgrade, the user will lose the use of this particular program and will have more work in recompile, and this multiply for each server and each program in particular. In conlusion this isn't nothing practical.

If your manufaturer is not changing to meet your needs you should blame the manufacturer not the OS you use.

I do not look guilty, only say that will be extremely easy for the users if the S.O. and Kernel don't are of different Linux distributions. Please only see and counts in the PVE forum how many people ask help for problems of installation of drivers and server tools of his manufacturers.

I agree with onyx, debian is what I like about Proxmox.

Please think about of my previous point, and tell me if will be more easy for all since that all manufacturer of the world make RPMs for Red Hat. In my view, for install a program, it will be as easy as take out the pacifier to a baby.

Best regards
Cesar

 

[cesarpk]

Since alien uses the official RPM libraries for doing its job I would expect it to be as stable as using rpm -i or yum install on RPM based distributions.

Thanks mir again for your prompt response, but i see in this link that alien is full of bugs:
https://www.google.com.py/?gws_rd=cr&ei=C5qcUseeKYeDkQf7poEI#q=debian+alien+bugs&tbs=qdr:y

Best regards
Cesar

 

[m.ardito]

Thanks mir again for your prompt response, but i see in this link that alien is full of bugs:
https://www.google.com.py/?gws_rd=cr&ei=C5qcUseeKYeDkQf7poEI#q=debian+alien+bugs&tbs=qdr:y

Best regards
Cesar

alien always worked for me.
another way would be compiling from sources...

Marco