PROXMOX Server Comptability

[RVONLINE]

Hi All,

I am newbie to PROXMOX and i am pursuing in buying a new server. I would really appreciate if you could guide me if the PROXMOX can be installed on the server below:

http://www.antonline.com/p_Lenovo--...ver-Intel-Xeon-E5-2407-v2-2.4GHz-_1108911.htm

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[TD="class: otrhead"]Controllers
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[TD="class: atrhead, width: 20%"]RAID Levels[/TD]
[TD="class: atrtext, width: 60%"]0, 1, 1+0[/TD]
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[TD="class: atrhead, width: 20%"]RAID Supported[/TD]
[TD="class: atrtext, width: 60%"]Yes[/TD]
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[TD="class: otrhead"]General Information[/TD]
[TD="class: atrhead, width: 20%"]Marketing Information[/TD]
[TD="class: atrtext, width: 60%"]PERFORMANCE-PACKED. ENTERPRISE RELIABILITY. The Lenovo ThinkServer TD340 is a dual-processor tower server perfect for when you need full enterprise capability in a tower form factor.

Boasts High Performance & Reliability
If you need an enterprise server to run your business, but you're not ready to invest in a rack infrastructure or simply just need a tower form factor, the Lenovo ThinkServer TD340 is perfect for you. It packs in the performance of an entry-level rack server with up to two Intel® Xeon® E5-2400 v2 Series processors, giving you the power to run strenuous workloads, such as web, database and CRM - in addition to infrastructure and point-of-sale applications. Coupling that with high-reliability features, such as hot-swap hard disk and solid-state drives, integrated full-performance RAID, and redundant power, gives you peace of mind that your data will stay safe and your system will stay up and running.
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[TD="class: atrhead, width: 20%"]Product Name[/TD]
[TD="class: atrtext, width: 60%"]ThinkServer TD340 70B7002KUX Server[/TD]
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[TD="class: atrhead, width: 20%"]Manufacturer Website Address[/TD]
[TD="class: atrtext, width: 60%"]www.lenovo.com/us/en/[/TD]
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[TD="class: atrhead, width: 20%"]Manufacturer Part Number[/TD]
[TD="class: atrtext, width: 60%"]70B7002KUX[/TD]
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[TD="class: atrhead, width: 20%"]Product Type[/TD]
[TD="class: atrtext, width: 60%"]Server[/TD]
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[TD="class: atrhead, width: 20%"]Brand Name[/TD]
[TD="class: atrtext, width: 60%"]Lenovo[/TD]
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[TD="class: atrhead, width: 20%"]Product Model[/TD]
[TD="class: atrtext, width: 60%"]70B7002KUX[/TD]
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[TD="class: atrhead, width: 20%"]Manufacturer[/TD]
[TD="class: atrtext, width: 60%"]Lenovo Group Limited[/TD]
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[TD="class: atrhead, width: 20%"]Product Line[/TD]
[TD="class: atrtext, width: 60%"]ThinkServer[/TD]
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[TD="class: atrhead, width: 20%"]Product Series[/TD]
[TD="class: atrtext, width: 60%"]TD340[/TD]
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[TD="class: otrhead"]I/O Expansions[/TD]
[TD="class: atrhead, width: 20%"]Number of 3.5" Bays[/TD]
[TD="class: atrtext, width: 60%"]4[/TD]
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[TD="class: atrhead, width: 20%"]Number of PCI Express x8 Slots[/TD]
[TD="class: atrtext, width: 60%"]4[/TD]
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[TD="class: atrhead, width: 20%"]Number of Total Expansion Slots[/TD]
[TD="class: atrtext, width: 60%"]6[/TD]
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[TD="class: atrhead, width: 20%"]Number of PCI Express x16 Slots[/TD]
[TD="class: atrtext, width: 60%"]1[/TD]
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[TD="class: atrhead, width: 20%"]Number of PCI Slots[/TD]
[TD="class: atrtext, width: 60%"]1[/TD]
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[TD="class: atrhead, width: 20%"]Number of Total Expansion Bays[/TD]
[TD="class: atrtext, width: 60%"]6[/TD]
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[TD="class: atrhead, width: 20%"]Number of External 5.25" Bays[/TD]
[TD="class: atrtext, width: 60%"]2[/TD]
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[TD="class: otrhead"]Interfaces/Ports[/TD]
[TD="class: atrhead, width: 20%"]Network (RJ-45)[/TD]
[TD="class: atrtext, width: 60%"]Yes[/TD]
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[TD="class: atrhead, width: 20%"]Remote Management[/TD]
[TD="class: atrtext, width: 60%"]Yes[/TD]
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[TD="class: otrhead"]Memory[/TD]
[TD="class: atrhead, width: 20%"]Number of Total Memory Slots[/TD]
[TD="class: atrtext, width: 60%"]12[/TD]
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[TD="class: atrhead, width: 20%"]Maximum Memory[/TD]
[TD="class: atrtext, width: 60%"]192 GB[/TD]
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[TD="class: atrhead, width: 20%"]Standard Memory[/TD]
[TD="class: atrtext, width: 60%"]8 GB[/TD]
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[TD="class: atrhead, width: 20%"]Memory Technology[/TD]
[TD="class: atrtext, width: 60%"]DDR3 SDRAM[/TD]
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[TD="class: otrhead"]Miscellaneous[/TD]
[TD="class: atrhead, width: 20%"]Compatibility[/TD]
[TD="class: atrtext, width: 60%"]

• Microsoft Windows Server 2012 R2
• Microsoft Windows Server 2012
• Microsoft Windows Server 2008 R2
• Microsoft Windows Server 2008
• Microsoft Windows Small Business Server 2011
• Novel SUSE Linux Enterprise Server
• Red Hat Enterprise Linux Server
• VMware ESXi
• Citrix XenServer

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[TD="class: atrhead, width: 20%"]Green Compliant[/TD]
[TD="class: atrtext, width: 60%"]Yes[/TD]
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[TD="class: atrhead, width: 20%"]Green Compliance Certificate/Authority[/TD]
[TD="class: atrtext, width: 60%"]ENERGY STAR[/TD]
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[TD="class: otrhead"]Network & Communication[/TD]
[TD="class: atrhead, width: 20%"]Ethernet Technology[/TD]
[TD="class: atrtext, width: 60%"]Gigabit Ethernet[/TD]
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[TD="class: otrhead"]Physical Characteristics[/TD]
[TD="class: atrhead, width: 20%"]Height[/TD]
[TD="class: atrtext, width: 60%"]16.9"[/TD]
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[TD="class: atrhead, width: 20%"]Depth[/TD]
[TD="class: atrtext, width: 60%"]23.4"[/TD]
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[TD="class: atrhead, width: 20%"]Width[/TD]
[TD="class: atrtext, width: 60%"]7.7"[/TD]
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[TD="class: atrhead, width: 20%"]Form Factor[/TD]
[TD="class: atrtext, width: 60%"]Tower[/TD]
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[TD="class: atrhead, width: 20%"]Weight (Approximate)[/TD]
[TD="class: atrtext, width: 60%"]61.80 lb[/TD]
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[TD="class: atrhead, width: 20%"]Rack Height[/TD]
[TD="class: atrtext, width: 60%"]5U[/TD]
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[TD="class: otrhead"]Power Description[/TD]
[TD="class: atrhead, width: 20%"]Maximum Power Supply Wattage[/TD]
[TD="class: atrtext, width: 60%"]800 W[/TD]
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[TD="class: atrhead, width: 20%"]Number of Power Supplies Installed[/TD]
[TD="class: atrtext, width: 60%"]1[/TD]
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[TD="class: otrhead"]Processor & Chipset[/TD]
[TD="class: atrhead, width: 20%"]64-bit Processing[/TD]
[TD="class: atrtext, width: 60%"]Yes[/TD]
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[TD="class: atrhead, width: 20%"]Number of Processors Supported[/TD]
[TD="class: atrtext, width: 60%"]2[/TD]
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[TD="class: atrhead, width: 20%"]Processor Speed[/TD]
[TD="class: atrtext, width: 60%"]2.40 GHz[/TD]
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[TD="class: atrhead, width: 20%"]Cache[/TD]
[TD="class: atrtext, width: 60%"]10 MB[/TD]
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[TD="class: atrhead, width: 20%"]Hyper-Threading[/TD]
[TD="class: atrtext, width: 60%"]No[/TD]
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[TD="class: atrhead, width: 20%"]Processor Type[/TD]
[TD="class: atrtext, width: 60%"]Xeon[/TD]
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[TD="class: atrhead, width: 20%"]Processor Manufacturer[/TD]
[TD="class: atrtext, width: 60%"]Intel[/TD]
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[TD="class: atrhead, width: 20%"]Processor Core[/TD]
[TD="class: atrtext, width: 60%"]Quad-core (4 Core)[/TD]
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[TD="class: atrhead, width: 20%"]QuickPath Interconnect[/TD]
[TD="class: atrtext, width: 60%"]6.40 GT/s[/TD]
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[TD="class: atrhead, width: 20%"]Processor Model[/TD]
[TD="class: atrtext, width: 60%"]E5-2407 v2[/TD]
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[TD="class: otrhead"]Software[/TD]
[TD="class: atrhead, width: 20%"]Operating System[/TD]
[TD="class: atrtext, width: 60%"]No[/TD]
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[TD="class: otrhead"]Storage[/TD]
[TD="class: atrhead, width: 20%"]Optical Drive Type[/TD]
[TD="class: atrtext, width: 60%"]DVD-Writer[/TD]
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Thanks,

RV

 

[wahmed]

There are simply no reason for Proxmox not to work in this Server. Almost all Intel platforms are well supported by linux.

I would like to point out one thing about the processor though. This server comes with Xeon E5-2407v2 which is 4 core without any "hyper threading". Meaning you only have 4 cores instead of total 8 core per cpu. This server does support 2 CPUs, so you can have two E5-2407v2 to have all togther 8 cores. With hyper threading processor this could have been 16 core with hyper threading.

 

[cesarpk]

Hi people

I would like to point out one thing about the processor though. This server comes with Xeon E5-2407v2 which is 4 core without any "hyper threading". Meaning you only have 4 cores instead of total 8 core per cpu. This server does support 2 CPUs, so you can have two E5-2407v2 to have all togther 8 cores. With hyper threading processor this could have been 16 core with hyper threading.

@symmcom:
Excuse me please, but you are wrong in the concepts:
1- Hyper-threading (HT) isn't equal to cores, HT is just a way of programming to run two threads concurrently on one core though really it is only one physical core. When the two threads are not sharing resources, the process runs better and definitely will improve performance of the processor (Also known as sub-processes).
2- In Data Base, HT tends to run with a horrible performance, consuming more processor resources due to tasks to be performed within the processor and the hardware computer, that are inherent in managing the database.

I am newbie to PROXMOX and i am pursuing in buying a new server. I would really appreciate if you could guide me if the PROXMOX can be installed on the server below:
http://www.antonline.com/p_Lenovo--...ver-Intel-Xeon-E5-2407-v2-2.4GHz-_1108911.htm

@RVONLINE:
1- You must know that PVE does not support Fake-RAID or Host-RAID, and since that you don't explain us what type of RAID controller have the Server, i can tell you that if the server have this type of technology, then you not must use the functions of RAID.
2- Only if your server comes with a RAID driver software for Debian Wheezy, or with the sources for compile it, maybe can use it with PVE.
3- For the moment, this is the only difficulty I find, but I've read on this forum that other people have some problems with the more newer chipsets on new motherboards (Including Intel).

My suggestion:
Query what model of RAID controller and chipset of the mainboard this server has?, and comment it in this forum.

Best regards
Cesar

 

[cesarpk]

To the people, apology me please due that i am doing a post out of place.

@symmcom:
Hi symmcom, I want to add you as a friend in this forum for speak of a likely purchase your book, are you agree?

Best regards
Cesar

 

[wahmed]

To the people, apology me please due that i am doing a post out of place.

@symmcom:
Hi symmcom, I want to add you as a friend in this forum for speak of a likely purchase your book, are you agree?

Add away. Always open for friends with fellow Proxmox users.


I agree what you said about Hyper Threading. No hyper threading does not make additional cores, they are just additional threads. What hyper threading does is it maximizes CPU usage by running 2 threads simultaneously on same core thus creating a "Logical Core". Hyper threading also "efficiently" distributes load over all cores. When running a Virtual environment, you will notice significant performance from a Hyper Threaded()HT) CPU than no HT cpu. You can assign more cores and put more VMs on single machine with HT. If you run 2 identical server one with HT CPU and the other without with same number of VMs and resource alloaction, you will see HT cpu performing much better.

 

[mir]

This is only true if the OS assigns threads in pairs. If your VM has been assigned 2 cores (2 threads with HT) and those to cores are running as threads on different CPU cores you will not gain any increased performance. Also since a HT core shares cache and CPU time with is sister HT core on the same CPU you could even see a performance degration if the sister HT core is used by a bad behaving process or a very memory intensive process. A god blog post details the virtues of HT here: http://www.dasher.com/blog/will-hyper-threading-improve-processing-performance/.

The conclusion in the blog post is that under certain use cases you should be cautious when enabling HT.

 

[wahmed]

When you say performance degradation, do you mean individual VMs may perform slower with HT enabled?

Lets say AMD 6344(12 real cores) vs E5-2620v2 (6 real cores, HT 12 cores). There are 20 identical VMs running on each nodes. Will they perform almost equally or AMD will have better performance as in less overall CPU consumption?

I did a test between i7-3770 (4 real core, 8 HT core) and AMD FX-9370(8 real core).They are not server CPU of course but i think did simulate HT performance. I had 22 identical VMs running on each machine. AMD was consuming much more CPU then Intel was. i could probably put 3 or 4 additional VM on AMD before it fully maxed out. But on intel there were room for at least 10 more VMs. This of course does not tell us how those VMs were actually performing inside. But I think Intel was performing better without stress.

 

[mir]

By degradation I mean individual VMs.

The comparison is not easy because Intel will be better to distribute resources between VMs running on the same physical core due to HT but if both or one of the VM's is consuming a lot of CPU and/or cache it could affect performance on the other VM running on the same physical core. This is not the case for AMD since a core means a core. To circumvent this CPU intensive VMs should be pinned to dedicated cores (processor affinity) which is possible in ESXi and KVM (http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/13/html/Virtualization_Guide/ch25s06.html) but proxmox does not support CPU pinning (AFAIK). Never the less processor affinity is a two edge sword since this induces manual configuration and prevents migration which leaves us with two options for CPU intensive VMs:
1) Have a dedicated cluster for CPU intensive VMs. Ceterus paribus, if all VMs are equally CPU demanding all will be treated equally god/bad;-)
2) Use physical hardware for these VMs.

 

[RVONLINE]

There are simply no reason for Proxmox not to work in this Server. Almost all Intel platforms are well supported by linux.

I would like to point out one thing about the processor though. This server comes with Xeon E5-2407v2 which is 4 core without any "hyper threading". Meaning you only have 4 cores instead of total 8 core per cpu. This server does support 2 CPUs, so you can have two E5-2407v2 to have all togther 8 cores. With hyper threading processor this could have been 16 core with hyper threading.

Thanks Wasim.

-- RV