Citrix XENServer Express VM Migration

davehardy20

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Hi All,

I only discovered Proxmox yesterday and to say the least I'm bowled over, (I have a 2 node cluster already!!).
I have been doing some work on virtualising the environment here at work and have setup a system using Citrix XenServer Express, which is great, but Proxmox just seems to a better solution.

My question:- Is it possible to migrate Xenserver Express VM's to Proxmox?
Would I follow the migration process setout for Xen VM's?

Thanks
Dave
 
Hi All,

I only discovered Proxmox yesterday and to say the least I'm bowled over, (I have a 2 node cluster already!!).
I have been doing some work on virtualising the environment here at work and have setup a system using Citrix XenServer Express, which is great, but Proxmox just seems to a better solution.

My question:- Is it possible to migrate Xenserver Express VM's to Proxmox?
Would I follow the migration process setout for Xen VM's?

Thanks
Dave

should be possible. what guest OS do you have?
and if you got Linux, do you wanna migrate to KVM or OpenVZ?
 
Thanks for the reply Tom, I've only got Linux at the moment, 1 ubuntu 9.04 Server and 1 Debian 4, (which has the xenserver-tools installed, not sure how to remove these).

I will have to use OpenVZ for the moment as the test servers I have don't allow KVM modules.

Thanks
Dave
 
Thanks for the reply Tom, I've only got Linux at the moment, 1 ubuntu 9.04 Server and 1 Debian 4, (which has the xenserver-tools installed, not sure how to remove these).

I will have to use OpenVZ for the moment as the test servers I have don't allow KVM modules.

Thanks
Dave

see this.
 
Hello,

i am searching for a virtualising environment for Linux and Windows OS. At the moment we use VMWare esxi 3.5 but we want switch to Xenserver or Proxmox. At this time, i dont now the benefits for proxmox compared to Xenserver. As storage we use SAN Storages over iscsi for the virtual machines

Can you tell me, why you are switching from Xenserver to Proxmox? In my view, xenserver gives all the features plus iscsi support that proxmox didnt have at this time.

I hope you can help me, to take the right horse ;-)

Regards, valle
 
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Hi thanks for your question, I am currently investigating as many virtualisation systems as I can with a view to moving over to the best one.

At the moment Xenserver is the best I think because it already has iSCSI, but Proxmox will have ISCSI in version 2.0.

I don't really know why I prefer Proxmox, but I think the pre-built appliances give it some value and the way you can interact with the system, just ssh onto the host and away you go, (I dont know if you can do this with XenServer). I need to have a look at DAB application too as it might also be useful.

Another thing against XenServer is that you have to apply the XenServer tools to the virtual system and these only support Redhat/SUSE and Dedian Etch, could be a problem if you run ubuntu server.

Hope this helps a bit.
 
Hi thanks for your question, I am currently investigating as many virtualisation systems as I can with a view to moving over to the best one.

At the moment Xenserver is the best I think because it already has iSCSI, but Proxmox will have ISCSI in version 2.0.

I don't really know why I prefer Proxmox, but I think the pre-built appliances give it some value and the way you can interact with the system, just ssh onto the host and away you go, (I dont know if you can do this with XenServer). I need to have a look at DAB application too as it might also be useful.

Another thing against XenServer is that you have to apply the XenServer tools to the virtual system and these only support Redhat/SUSE and Dedian Etch, could be a problem if you run ubuntu server.

Hope this helps a bit.


I have used both Proxmox & XenServer & here are my observations.

XenServer:
- Vitruals will still function without the XenServer tools installed although performance is enhanced if the tools are installed. I saw a definite increase in performance recently in a Windows server vm after installing the tools although I did have full functionality prior to installing them.

- Xenserver has a a very cut down but at least functional local terminnal.
- Xenserver requires a Windows based manangement application to be installed to access all of the available features. As I also run Linux boxes this is a downer for me as now I had to install windows in a vm on the linux box to run the Xenserver administration application. I believe that there are 3rd party Xen administration applications available for Linux but not for working with Citrix's XenSserver directly.

- Installing a vm via an iso file or a virtual appliance that isn't includede with the Xenserver install requuires that a windows share (or smb) be created and the files be dumped there. After that using the Xenserver admin app you select where this location is and you will only then see the files available. Not the most intuitive approach. Proxmox's method, find-select-upload, blows this away.

- Performance is very good & once you find your way around the admin app's interface things can be done quickly & efficiently. There is a small learning curve though.

- System updates have to be downloaded to a workstation & applied via the Xenserver admin app. Not the most efficient approach but it works.

- Lots of industry presence & support

Proxmox:

- Open source & free as beer very high quality virtual enviroment.
- Leverages two different VM enviroments. ( OpenVZ & KVM) which is a big big plus.
- Remotely managed with a very clear & easy to use interface. No need for an operating specefic front end. Another nice plus.
- Very good performance & stability
- Very little setup needed before you can dive in and start creating & managing vm's. Basically install & go.
- Included migration & backup tools are very good.
- Updates are applied with the typical Linux "apt-get" fashion. Easy as pie.

- Lower industry presence & support but is improving all the time.

I like both Proxmox & XenServer, presently using Xenserver & very soon getting Proxmox 1.3 up & running on another box, and can recommend both.

I had Proxmox 1.1 running for a while and was always very impressed with it.
 
Hi kingnubian,

thanx for your reply. I am running now 3 Proxmox Servers in test environment. Till now, all is runing good. My network settings with link aggregation make some trouble and i dont now why.
 
Quick footnote to "Valshare", if you are looking at options to virtualize windows hosts.

Last time I checked, KVM (used for full hardware virtual machines, ie, all windows vhosts running on ProxVE) - is not entirely production-stable with SMP (>1 vCPU) configuration. My testing with ProxVE last fall certainly found this to be the case; I haven't created SMP windows Vhosts since then for 'abuse testing'.

So - if you know that you "must" have SMP (2 or more vCPU) virtual hosts for windows VM's - then this may be an issue which will help guide your choice of ProxVE vs CitrixXenServer (for example).

Certainly ProxmoxVE and CitrixXen are both very nice solutions; each has its own strengths.

- CitrixXen is probably going to be a better fit for virtualization of SMP windows hosts, or for an environment which might benefit from the rapid clone / template features that are built in & functional in the free version of XenServer 5 (soon 5.5 release .. with even a few more goodies).

- ProxVE is likely a better fit for environments which require lots of linux virtual hosts, especially ones which can be running OpenVZ container based virtualization / or will benefit from 'stock OpenVZ host templates' (such as wordpress, 'apache web server appliances' and suchlike).

Not to disparage virtualization of windows on ProxVE: I'm managing a number of servers doing exactly this, and it works very well. But if you absolutely require more CPU capacity (SMP) in the windows vhosts, it may be a problem.

(Footnote - if anyone knows for certain if SMP support has evolved / improved in KVM for windows Vhosts - certainly I would be happy if the updated info was posted to this thread :-)


---Tim
 

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