Proxmox and systemd?

[r4pt0x]

Hello,

As i'm already struggling with systemd and/or its ugly siblings on 2 systems I was wondering if the proxmox team plans on implementing systemd with the upcoming release of debian jessie, which most likely will ship with systemd as standard.

To prepare for the worst I just set up a test-system which upon switching to systemd did just what I expected: completely fail to boot, dropping to the systemd-console after a few minutes - just as both other systems that switched to systemd. At least apt gives now a proper warning about switching the init-system, which wasn't the case for both other sytstems that pulled systemd on dist-upgrade without further warnings...

I deeply hope proxmox will stay on sysvinit - production virtualization servers with a broken (or "work in progress" as the systemd-developers call it) init system would be a major desaster. As far as I can see there are currently no packages used by the default proxmox setup which depend on systemd (and hopefully won't change this), so there seems to be no reason to change the init system...

If there are plans on adapting systemd - is there any schedule?

Thanks

 

[dietmar]

If there are plans on adapting systemd - is there any schedule?

We will try to move to systemd, but we will only do that if we can provide a smooth upgrade path.

 

[gkovacs]

There is also a fork of Debian (called Devuan) coming, without systemd, might worth a look if it gets off the ground.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/12/01/ttsystemdtt_row_ends_with_debian_getting_forked/

http://debianfork.org/
https://devuan.org/

Devuan aims to be a base distribution whose mission is protect the freedom of its community of users and developers. Its priority is to enable diversity, interoperability and backward compatibility for existing Debian users and downstream distributions willing to preserve Init freedom.

Good ZDNET article about systemd and it's drawbacks:
http://www.zdnet.com/linus-torvalds-and-others-on-linuxs-systemd-7000033847/

Because systemd puts so many of a program's eggs in one system basket, systemd's critics argue that "there are tons of scenarios in which it can crash and bring down the whole system. But in addition, this means that plenty of non-kernel system upgrades will now require a reboot. Enjoy your new Windows 9 Linux system!”

Another one from InfoWorld, a must read:
http://www.infoworld.com/article/2608798/data-center/systemd--harbinger-of-the-linux-apocalypse.html

systemd is growing, like wildfire, well outside the bounds of enhancing the Linux boot experience. systemd wants to control most, if not all, of the fundamental functional aspects of a Linux system -- from authentication to mounting shares to network configuration to syslog to cron. It wants to do so as essentially a monolithic entity that obscures what's happening behind the scenes.

Interesting writeup about why systemd is bad (also check out the comments):
http://blog.lusis.org/blog/2014/09/23/end-of-linux/